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Shannon : Alright. So we're ready. One of the most hotly anticipated spaces I think I've had with the great Imperator returning to us from Australia. Man, it's been a couple months at least, maybe three since we've done a space. I'm happy that we're able to come together with a fascinating topic.
How are you?
Imperator : I'm very good. How are you? I I know we've, jumped into a few spaces here and there, like some ad hoc ones, but, honestly, these spaces are my favorite part of all x, so I'm so happy to do this. So how how have you been?
Shannon : Doing good. We're in a new year, and we're just, rocking and rolling. I wanna encourage everybody to follow Imperator if you're not already doing so, and you can subscribe to him to support his work. And we're basing this space off a mega thread he did. I think it was your biggest thread ever back about a month ago.
Got over 800,000 views. It'll probably eventually reach a million, you know, you know, as time time goes on, but it's basically about the origins of evil. First, before we sort of get into it, Imperator, what made you want to tackle this topic?
Imperator : It was actually a like most of my threads, it was actually in response to a conversation that I had with someone, and we did a bit of a back and forth. And he was asking me questions and I was responding. And then I'm like, oh, this is actually pretty good, information. And and then just based on the comments that I saw from the people who were following, because it was a pretty big account that I was having this conversation with. They're They're like, you know, where are you getting this information from?
This is incredible. I've never heard this before. And I thought to myself, you know what? Might as well just put all this together and just put it in a single thread. So the only thing that I had to kind of do was put the images on there.
All the information was already there. So, it was, I think this is probably one of my best threads only because it was a very organic thread. It's not like I sat there and I said, I'm going to make a thread about the Roman, the Roman Legion, which I've done. And it did pretty well, but like, it kind of isn't, this is gonna sound strange. It's not authentic because I sat there and I said, I'm gonna write about this.
Whereas this thread in particular was based on genuine conversations that I've just kind of, like, compiled together. It took a little bit of editing, but I pretty much did all the work already in the actual conversation that I have with the individual. So I don't know. I I feel like it's it was good because most people unless you, like, listen to father Rippajohn or something or read father Gabriel of multiple books, like, no one knows this stuff.
Shannon : And they have a lot of misconceptions. Just just like people have a a misconception, I think, that when we go to heaven, we might become angels, right, which are totally different different beings. So let's ask the big question. What is the origin of evil?
Imperator : Well, to put it very simply, god is truth, goodness, and beauty. And many of the other attributes that we associate with him, like, you know, god is one, god is life, god is love. There was codicast s. So whatever is evil is not an entity in and of itself. It's actually the absence of those things that god is.
So when we think of, you know, if God is love, then evil is the absence of love. And if God is light, evil is the absence of light. And if God is goodness, evil is the absence of goodness. The origins of evil come from God making individuals, whether angelic or human, with free will and individuals choosing through their free will to either, not cooperate with God's, you know, plan, God's commandments, choosing their own, desires above that which is right, and that is essentially the origin of evil. It's just choosing to avoid or do that which is contrary to the good.
Shannon : Sort of like the color black. Right? There it's not a color so much as it's the absence of light, the absence of visible light.
Imperator : Absolutely. Even things like, you know, like coldness. Coldness isn't a thing. Coldness is just the absence of heat. So that's why when people say, you know, if God is good, why do bad things happen?
That's typical, like, you know, when you're on, I know you must get this a lot because your your account has been exploding lately. It's so awesome. You know, like, there's rosary for newbies. That has been awesome. I think it was, like, 11:30 at night last night before I went to bed, and I just clicked on your page and I saw, like, how many people are jumping onto it.
And you would get more of those questions than I would because you attract more, like, non Catholics and new people and people who are new to Christianity and Catholicism. And you would get so many questions like, oh, you know, if God is good, why do, you know, why do people die? Why do people get cancer? You know, why do bad things happen? And then, you know, it's kind of like it's a very, it's a very, I don't wanna say ignorant, but it's a very misinformed understanding that God actively just punishes people all the time and is actively sort of like divinely intervening in every single person's life individually at every single moment and, like, chastising them.
It's it's just a very strange concept. But again, like, most people have no idea how how this works or how this, I guess how the divine economy operates. So they just most people are genuinely curious. They've just never heard this before, but a lot of people, you know, there are that small percentage of people that are just malicious that just wanna fight online. So, yeah, you must get more of these questions than I did, to be honest.
Shannon : Yeah. It's the question. I think it was the CS Lewis book. Right? The problem with pain.
This is one of the hardest things, like, for people to believe. You know, why does a good god let bad things happen? It's hard for people to think about because people think, well, if I could stop something bad, I would. But there's a gift that God gave to all people, including angels who fell, called free will, and he can't give that and then intervene in in every particular situation, although he can intervene whenever he wants to. Talk a little bit about free will and how that plays into this.
Imperator : Yeah. So this is a misconception again that people have. There there there's a distinction between, between God's active and passive will. What that means is God is the creator and the prime mover and the first cause of all things on this earth. So I'll give you an example.
I'll use a practical example. I once had a kid in, that I was speaking to, and one of his school student or something like that. And he was saying to me, and he was being very earnest and so was I. And, like, he brought up the question. I said, let's speak about it on-site because they don't wanna kinda bring something up that's kind of personal to him in public.
But he basically said, whenever we'll talk about religion, he'll get very, very defensive and very hostile. And I said to him, okay, listen, man. Like, well, what's up? Like, what's what's your problem? And he goes, we we went around a little bit.
We're talking about a few things. He goes, oh, you believe x y and Z. And then he eventually said, oh, if God is good, why did, you know, why did my grandmother die? And I've recently discovered, like during that conversation that she only recently passed away, like maybe two or three weeks ago. And I said, okay, let's, let's have this conversation.
We'll have like this honest conversation. He goes, yeah. I go, how old was your grandmother? I think he said like 94 or 95 or something. And I said, number one, your, your God didn't kill your grandmother.
I know that sounds very strange to say. And I go, when God is the the, I guess you could say the first mover or the first cause, God created the universe. And in doing that, he created the natural order of things. He created, you know, gravity and he created thermodynamics and he created all of these, you know, things that we consider as part of the natural world. Our bodies die and decay as a process of just being alive and being human beings and being subject to the material universe.
So that's not God actively willing that your grandmother passed away. That's just a consequence of, of nature that God passively allows to happen. So it's kind of like if I use the analogy, if I have a child where, you say like a parent would say to their child, for example, okay. I don't have a fireplace, but you say to a child, you know, they have a young child, they walk up to a fireplace and the child, the parent will say, you know, they've been in the fireplace and the child's about three or four years old. So they don't really have their full functioning reason, I guess you could say.
When the kid walks up, they give you a cheeky nook and they look back and they walk over to the fireplace, put their hand there and say, don't touch the fireplace. You're going to hurt yourself. And then they do it two or three times. And then on the fourth time you say, you know what? Do it.
Let the child put their hand near the fireplace. And you know, it's going to hurt a little bit, but you let them do it anyway. And that child puts their hands, Oh, they, you know, lift the back, tears start rolling out of their eyes. They run back to you saying, mommy, daddy, my hand, my hand hurts. And then, you know, you give them little kisses on their hand, and you say, it's okay, baby.
Like, you know, I hope you're okay. That's why we don't touch fire. That's kind of like how I know it's a very simplistic analogy, but that's kind of how God operates with free will. The active will is when God actively will something to happen. So for example, creating your soul, creating the universe, dying on the cross, things like miracles.
These are when God actively intervenes in history, in time, in space, and make something happen because he wants it to happen. Passive will is when God permits something to happen, whether good or bad for the greater glory of God. And as according to his divine providence. So we don't always understand that. Okay?
So we don't always that little child who burns their hands in in the fireplace, they might think to themselves, then let's pretend they're rational for a second, why did my father or mother allow me to burn my hand? My father or mother is like a vicious person who just wants to watch me suffer. You can't take that opinion because why would they let me do that? But the other sort of the coin is the, from the parents' point of view that the child probably doesn't understand is that I would rather they suffer this small affliction or this small suffering in order to understand the grand lesson that fire is dangerous and that you should trust your parents and listen to their instructions because they have what's better for you. So that's kind of like how, I guess, on a cosmic scale or on a supernatural scale, we operate.
Like, we might realize, like, why did God that this happened to me? Why did bad things happen to me? But you don't realize the, the, the grand scheme in divine Providence in soteriology. Like why did certain things happen? You don't see the ripple effect.
It's like a, it's like the butterfly effect. You don't realize that small things have gigantic repercussions, the right history. So most people don't recognize that, or they don't want to talk about that or because they're, you know, because of as a consequence of habituate, habituating lives of sin and vice, they're unable to see the truth of things. I know it was a very long winded answer, but I hope I hope I kind of answered what you're trying to say.
Shannon : Absolutely. Before we sorta talk about the, the first rebel, Lucifer, I wanna read something from Isaiah. How you were fallen from heaven, oh, Lucifer, son of the morning. How you were cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations. For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven.
I will exalt my throne above the stars of god. I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the North. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will be like the most high. So when does this happen?
This happens, of course, I'm asking, but I think I know the answer. This fall of Lucifer happens before human beings are created. Right?
Imperator : Yes. So it's the it's kind of explained as the instances of creation. So it's not like there's a time frame because in order for something to exist in time, it must exist in materially. So that's why God is outside of time and space because he's immaterial, if that makes sense. I know that's a bit probably confusing to people who aren't theologically or philosophically trained.
But, in order for something to be subject to time, it needs to be physical. So angels aren't physical. They're purely spiritual. So they're not subject to the same rules of time that we are. That's why they can, you know, have different powers and different abilities.
Anyway, in one of the let's just be general here. In the first instance of creation, God creates the light, and then he separates it from the darkness. That's what we read in the in the sacred scripture. People always look at that and they go, oh, I see. Your Bible's wrong because there's two creationist stories.
He creates the light and the darkness and then, you know, a couple days later he creates the sun and the moon and things like that. The the reference to the light and the darkness, refers to the angels. And it's the separation between the good angels and the bad angels or those who rebel. So in in one of the inst or in the first instance of creation, God creates the angels and they all have different ranks, they all have different orders, they all even have different, their different species, as the Thomas put it. And again, if you listen to someone like father, Chad Ripper jar, he explains this really well.
They all different in kind in the same way that, you know, a lion is different from a bear. That's how different the, the angels are according to their to their nature, I guess you could say. And there are different ranks of angels, like choirs of angels. So there's, like, there's normal angels, there's guardian angels, which which are normal angels, archangels, dominions, powers, thrones, cherubim, seraphim, probably living some out, and, principalities and things like that. They all have different functions within, like, the heavenly hierarchy.
The highest ones are the seraphim. So the seraphim are the most powerful, they're the ones that sit around the throne of God and adore him. And what ends up happening is there's one particular angel where God basically there's an in the second instance of creation is, what people tend to, like, what theologians tend to theorize, speculate. No one can definitively say this is exactly what happened, because how can we know? It comes through, like, divine revelation, through sacred scripture, early church fathers, things like that.
There's this understanding that we aren't exactly sure how, but there was an instance where God gives the angels a choice to follow him or not. And that was due to the fact that a lot of these theologians speculate that, God revealed salvation history to the angels. And he revealed it to them in different ways and in different measures according to their nature. And some of the angels rejected that. So, for example, Lucifer, who was the leader of who was one of the highest seraphim, and Lucifer is obviously the angel that we equate with Satan, who is Satan, actually.
He rejected in his pride, his vice was pride. He refused to submit firstly to God because of his own power and magnificence. But theologians speculate that it's also because he would refuse to or he refused to submit to, an incarnate God and and the idea that Theotok was like the mother of God. He refused to submit to that because he was so powerful and so strong. He said, I will not, I will not disrespect myself.
I'm just gonna blank with the word. And and and worship or give honor and praise to a lesser being than myself. Non sedevia. I will not serve. And that's when the battle kicks off because his, through his free will, he rejects God, and that kind of, like, inspires this kind of, like, rebellion or acts as a symbol for the rebellion of all the angels who rejected God under different sort of aspects.
So some rejected God's mercy, some rejected the idea that, you know, just the incarnation itself. Things like that. So that's why, as we go down the line, I'm pretty sure this conversation will get to, is that's why particular demons are associated with particular vices because that's usually the the under the title to which they rejected God in his divine divine providence, I guess you could say. I hope that
Shannon : Yeah. We're talking about the origin of evil with Imperator. If you'd like to ask a question later, you can go ahead and request the mic, so we'll have that done. Also, I'll ask you if you haven't, please repost the space so more people can learn this fascinating story about the origin of evil. So in your thread, you talked about of course, you're saying there that the angels had different ranks in heaven.
And when they fall and become demons, they still retain their, you say, ranks, natures, and powers. Explain that a little more.
Imperator : Yeah. So, just by nature of how they were created, a a seraphim, which is the highest angel, is almost inestimably more powerful than a a guardian angel, for example. So when they fall, they still they're still angels. We just call them demons or we call them devils. But they retain those powers but they use them for for, I guess, as I say, for evil.
So, someone like Lucifer who's one of the most powerful angels, he then becomes the most powerful demon. And demon is just a Greek word meaning daemonis, which just means spirit. So, demons are technically angels. They're just fallen angels. So they're not like God created angels, then God created demons, and, like, they're fighting each other.
They're equals. No. God created just angels. And then what we call demons are just the fallen angels who take on like a a fallen sort of nature and that's why we call them demons. So that's why all throughout the Old Testament throughout, salvation history, you'll see that there's certain sort of like recurring demons, I guess you could say, because they tend to be the more powerful ones that tend to lead the lesser demons in certain activities.
So you'll see things like, with that throughout history, there's there's, like, a demon called Beelzebub or Balhadad or something. Like, they're they're they're usually, like, associated with particular gods, with pagan gods throughout history. They tend to recur because they're like the more powerful ones. And I think even when I read Dante's Inferno, he kind of goes into this a little bit. Like, he kind of gives you, like, a snapshot of, like, the, I guess, the, the damned landscape.
And, there there still is a hierarchy within hell, and then they're they're more powerful and, you know, I guess you could say weaker demons. But even the ones that are, I guess you could say, at the bottom of the demonic hierarchy are still unbelievably more powerful and capable than even, you know, the smartest human beings. So that's why it's very dangerous to get involved with, the occult and things like that because you're dealing with powers that you can't possibly contend with unless you have supernatural protection from God, from the sacraments and things like that. And people don't realize that and they get involved in the occult, things like that, and it's very very destructive and devastating to their spiritual, mental, and physical well-being.
Shannon : In your thread, you talk about demons want to corrupt and destroy mankind because they're made in God's image. There really sort of reminds you like of a like a a jealous lover. Like, they they, you know, Lucifer did not want to have humans in this story be between him and God, and it's like they're doing this to really to hurt God. Is that how you would sort of describe it in a very simple way?
Imperator : That's why I tend to subscribe to the belief that Lucifer fulfilled because of the incarnation. Because there seems to be a particular hatred of Mary and, you know, obviously Jesus Christ and and, his incarnation with Lucifer particularly, and again that's why I kind of subscribe to that view even though it's not like dogmatic, you must believe that at all to be a Catholic or anything. Because we're made in God's image and likeness and it's almost like the demons hate us because we even though we fall as they did, we can be redeemed and they can't. And it's kind of like a, you know the saying misery loves company? It's it's a bit of that.
It's the fact that, well, if we're down here, we're gonna take you with us. And because, I know this is gonna this is gonna be a very, very wind analogy and I mean no disrespect, but, like, you know when you watch, like I remember watching The Great Gatsby and or even reading The Great Gatsby. And you know when Gatsby kind of sees, Daisy and Pat Buchanan's daughter, and and he sees that the daughter kind of resembles the father. And it's kind of like, he doesn't hate the child, but it kind of like, it sours the relationship. Even though he has this fantastical relationship in his mind that he wants with Daisy, it kind of ruins it because he's like, this person is a living embodiment of of what I lost and I can never I can't get over that.
I know it's probably like a weird analogy, but it's kind of like that's that's what human beings are to to to, I guess, the the demons. We represent something that they can never have and something that they lost. And because of that, they wanna destroy us. And because they basically declared war on God and because their nature their their decisions are eternal because of their nature and how they sin, they will wage unceasing war against human beings who are made in God's image and likeness as a way to kind of, like, attack God. Because they can't attack God directly, they can't harm him directly.
Well, what's the next best thing? I'm just gonna destroy all your stuff. I'm gonna ruin your people. I'm gonna destroy them to hurt you. And I think that's kind of what what, I guess, human history is all about is that that contest, that that battle.
Shannon : You sort of alluded to this earlier, but, there are there, like, demons associated with certain vices? For example, murder or lust or, I don't know, even profanity or something like that.
Imperator : Yeah. So, there's one the on the top of my head, there's, like, a demon called Asmodeus, and that's a demon that is associated with lust and, like, I guess you could say, like, fornication. And, there's actually, I think it was Our Lady of La Salette or Good Success or something. She talks about how, even in the mid, she was talking about the modern age and she was saying that, seminaries have become dens of Asmodeus and talking about how, like, the sins of the flesh have kind of taken over parts of the world. And she basically says that this is like the reign of Asmodeus at this time.
So if if a if a person is possessed, for example, by a particular demon that has a particular vice, you have to attack them against that vice. Like, you have to you have to find out their nature and then and then unravel them through their vice by appealing to the opposite virtue. So, like, if if it's an angel of, like, for example, like, Ozmodius wanted to do with lust, the the the exorcist, to my knowledge, will have to go in and kind of, like, do prayers and deliverance that also associate with, like, invoking God's love and chastity and and and perfection and purity, and that kind of, like, draw draws it out, because it's contrary to its nature. So that's kind of, that that's the way I understand it. Again, I might be wrong on that.
That's that's one thing that it's it's always a bit tricky because there's no definitive literature on that. But, yeah, that's that's the way I understand it.
Shannon : Well, throughout history, human beings have committed many acts of evil. Millions of people have been murdered. Do you think people themselves can actually be evil, or are they just cooperating, you know, evildoers because they're under the influence of of an evil being like a demon?
Imperator : Yeah. So human beings are not evil. That's because, you know, God made us in his image and likeness and we're intrinsically good. But people choose through their free will, they choose to do that which is evil. Because they choose things that are contrary firstly to the natural law, to their nature, and things that are, contrary to divine law and supernatural law.
And in doing those things, their action is considered evil. So, and then there's things like natural evils, like things like death and decay and natural disasters and things. Those those aren't evil in themselves. They're just part of nature. So, okay.
Here's one, it's a bit of a touchy subject. Like if you look at something like a volcano or even like a wildfire or, you know, hurricanes, like, I know you're American and and you get, like, a lot of hurricanes in the South because they come through up the I think it's like the Gulf Of Mexico and they go through Florida or the Gulf Of America, I should say. And they go through Florida and they cut through, like, those Southern states. You might say, you know, God, why would you do this to us? This is, why are you why are you ruining people's lives and people's homes?
That's that's not God that that did that. Okay? God created the the universe. God created this planet. God created this ecosystem.
And human beings decided to live in the South where there are marshlands. And anyone who knows anything about, you know, you know, the ecosystem is marshlands tend to absorb hurricanes. So by the time they actually hit inland, they kind of basically die out. But because human beings wanna build nice beachfront properties, they, you know, drain the the the marshlands and they make beautiful areas for, you know, cities and things like that. And of course, the hurricane is gonna go through them and smash, towns.
I'm not saying like, you know, taunting anyone, but that's just how the world is structured, you know. If you're gonna live near a volcano, you're gonna get hit by lava sometimes. There's gonna be earthquakes. So, people tend to conflate that as like, God hates us and God just wants to kill people. No.
No. No. Those are things that are part of the natural order of the civilization and the natural part of part of the ecosystem, and we just choose to sometimes not take that, not take that into account when we do things. So doing things like, you know, I'm gonna gamble and, you know, do do drugs and I'm gonna waste all my money. And then when I hit rock bottom, I say, god, why have you done this to me?
People tend to say, oh, god ruined my life. God ruined my marriage. You know, my wife left me and I'm homeless. It's like, no. No.
No. God didn't do that to you. You did that. You chose to start gambling. You start to, you know, you start to choose to have drugs.
Obviously, now it's an addiction. You can't control it. But you can't see or people fail to realize that all the things that happened to them are due to a, all these actions that lead to this one point. Again, like that butterfly effect, but people don't like to recognize that. They just and again, there's something that you would know and that everyone in this room would know.
People would prefer to just blame their problems on other people because because you don't wanna have accountability and you don't wanna say, like, I made a mistake. I did the wrong thing. For example, I ruined my marriage. I have a problem. I have an addiction.
I need to fix it. They'll rather say, God ruined this. God did this. I hate God. Religion is stupid.
You know what I mean? Like, that's that's a very immature way to look at things and it's it's kind of like that's again, even, you know, pagans like the stoics even recognize that that things that happen in the world that tend to be evil, most of the time are just due to our own failures and due to our own incompetence and we bring it on ourselves.
Shannon : According to Thomas Aquinas, everybody has a guardian angel. Do you think everybody has a specific demon that's working to corrupt their soul? Or is it just more like specific vices, like, you know, they'll encounter? What do you think?
Imperator : Yeah. That's a good question. Some people speculate that, again, this again is speculation. I don't know this for a fact. This again, there's no, like, definitive literature on this, but, a lot of exorcists will talk about this is, each, each angel that fell, each fallen angel had a throne in heaven.
And, like, for example, you, Catholic frequency, you are through divine providence, you are the, kind of like I don't wanna say predestined, but like, God desires you to have a particular seat in heaven. Whether you reach that or not is completely up to you. So the demons also recognize this, so they kind of like attach themselves to you because they don't want you to take their spot that they fill, and and basically left vacant. So that that's one theory. I I don't know what to think about that.
That's a bit speculative. But basically, in the same way that you're given a guardian angel, the idea is that if if Satan's plan is to destroy you, it then ascribes a particular demon to a person to break them. So your guardian angel is basically like a spiritual bodyguard, and they protect you. And the the holier you are, the more sanctifying grace you have, the more virtue you have, the more you are protected and the more power your guardian angel has to defend you and to protect you. And they also give an account of your life on on on the day of judgment.
And, the the more we live according to vice and and evil and sin, the weaker they are and the more they distance themselves from you. They're always with you, but they kind of like leave you to your own devices because you've chosen habitually to to reject God and do that which is evil. And they're like, you know what, man? Fine. Do it.
That's what you wanna do, go for it. That little, and so when you okay. So from a Catholic point of view, you know how we have, like, patron saints of things. So, like, we have, you know, police officers that or people in the military would say, I have a particular devotion to saint Michael because he's the patron saint of, spiritual combat and and just warriors and things like that. The same thing is true within demons.
So there are certain demons, as I mentioned before, like Asmodeus, who are who are, I guess, you could say specialize or like the patron demons of particular vices. And you usually find that individuals or families or and this is where it gets a bit crazy, even nations and communities can be afflicted or under the dominion of a particular demon. So, people tend to say, like, you know, like that whole age of Aquarius, you know, the sixties and the sexual revolution, that was the triumph of Asmodeus within the western society, and we're still dealing with that, the repercussions of that because that's when vice vice and licentiousness just became absolutely rampant, and he's the demon that's usually associated with that. So it's this idea that in the same way that a country can be dedicated to a particular saint, like you think of Spain and you think of Santiago Matamoros or something like that, or you think of Lebanon and you think of Saint Charbel or Basharbel or, you know, Saint Nantala, Saint Rafka, you know, you associate particular saints with particular regions and they protect them. The same thing is true for demons.
They can do that as well. So you can have particular families that are kind of like under the sway of a particular demon. And, priests and exorcists will tell you that, you know, if a father is really has a particular vice, it's actually very because of the order of nature, the father seems he kind of like welcomes that vice into his house because he has spiritual authority over that dominion in that house. So if a if a father becomes, priest will talk about this if you listen to, like, the lectures again and and, what's the word, exorcist, they'll they'll they'll say things, and again, they're not breaking the silver confession, they're just talking generally. But if you have, like, a father who's, like, in his forties and then just suddenly gets addicted to pornography, they would tell you that within a couple weeks, if that's habitual, that the sons and even the daughters start confessing the same things because it's almost like that demon has been welcomed into their home and starts afflicting everyone.
That's why as a man, it's very important that you're virtuous and that you do the right thing particularly within your house because that's that's your domain and you have to keep that holy and keep that safe. Because if you fall, you're basically saying to within the the the divine economy and the hierarchy of grace and within, like, the order of nature, I as a spiritual head of this family, I am welcoming you into my house. And then all of them is going mad, we're in, go. And then it's rushing. And they have they pretty much have they run rampant within your family.
So that's why things like exorcisms, things like, you know, blessing houses and blessing cars and blessing buildings and nations and consecrations and things. That's why these are so important because you're breaking those that that dominion that particular spirits might have over individuals and families. And it's getting pretty deep now, and I apologize to anyone who's new here saying, what is this guy talking about?
Shannon : No. It's absolutely fascinating. Repost if you haven't reposted this space yet. We know that God is omnipresent and omniscient. He knows all of us by name.
I know this is gonna be speculation, but do you think the devil, Lucifer, now Satan, knows each human being by name?
Imperator : I think it's, fair to say that every single demon has complete knowledge of everything that is on Earth because they're not subject, like I said, to time and space, and they can see and interact with everything that exists in the material universe almost instantly because they're not bound by, like, the laws of physics. So, yes, I would say that absolutely through. Everything that exists within the creative universe, they understand completely.
Shannon : I wanna leave time for questions. I don't wanna get through the rest of your your thread here. Talk about because of sin, people began to worship their ancestors. What was that about?
Imperator : Well, we're gonna make the neo pagans, Matt. Now are you ready, Catholic freakin', sis?
Shannon : I'm ready.
Imperator : Oh, gosh. Alright. So the origins of paganism again, the Bible says that the God of the Gentiles are demons, but the Lord thy God made heaven and the earth. And that's exactly what it is. Okay?
People get upset with that. They say no, but, like, you know, x what? No. I don't care. I my ancestors are Roman.
They grew up in the, you know, in in Illyrian, and they were worshiping birds two thousand years ago, and you know what? They were wrong. Okay? It's not like this is some Eurocentric or Christocentric view of history. It just it is what it is.
K. Some people would just, I guess, you can say civilized sooner than others, or like brought the truth sooner than others, I should say. What ends up happening is like saint Paul talks about this and if you just read just general issues, you'll see this, that there's basically like two ways that paganism kind of emerges, but the most predominant way it emerges is if you look at ancient history, let's like, look at the Greeks, for example. What ends up happening is there's this cult of not really a cult. There's, there's a, desire to worship one's or to, to reverence one's ancestors.
And there's nothing wrong with that. Like we all should, honor our ancestors by our actions and even, you know, even pictures of our ancestors, like our grandparents and things like that. We shouldn't honor our ancestors. I'm not saying we should have. That's a very, very good and righteous thing and in accordance with the virtue of justice and body.
But what ends up happening is if someone had a great ancestor who was like, a priest or, a hero or a champion or a general or warlord or a chieftain, you know, you you might say, you know what? This person's very important. Let's make a statue of this person. You know, as an American, you might say, oh, cool. George Washington was very important.
Thomas Jefferson. Let's make a statue of this person and put it, like, in our city because he did great things for our country or whatever country you come from. And what ends up happening is people start as time progresses and they fall further and further away from the truth, they start to attribute supernatural powers to certain statues, and certain icons, and certain images, and certain, you know, supernatural phenomenon. And in doing that, they they start to idolize the statue or the icon or the image or that part of nature. And then as time progresses, it just evolves more and more.
People start saying, no. No. No. Not only and I'm just using it as an example. Not only was George Washington the founder of America who fought these battles, he actually was like God in the flesh and he that's why he won because he actually had supernatural power because he is a god.
He is a demigod. You don't realize this. This is what happens. And then Satan says, bang. Got you.
So what he does is, and this is what you usually find throughout history, like with the gods of Moloch and Balhadad within the Middle East and things like that, you know, the old testament is demons will actually possess those statues or those natural phenomenon or those artifacts to then reinforce that, pagan belief that this, you know, for example, George Washington actually is a god. So, you know, supernatural things will actually occur when they're in the presence of this statue. So then now, you know, in this hypothetical situation, George Washington is now a god. And that's how paganism kind of develops. And I'm being very simplistic here.
I'm not gonna go like a two hour tangent about, you know, individual gods from different cultures, but that's kind of how it works. And that's why within all religious traditions, especially the monotheistic religions, there's, even in the old testament, there's there's a prohibition against making idols or making statues because people were so within the ancient world, were so predisposed to making statues and worshiping them that in the Mosaic law, it's just said no one's allowed to make statues ever because Moses and, you know, through divine inspiration knew that it would lead to people worshiping them. And then you saw that when Moses goes up in Mount Sinai and, starts, you know, getting the commandments from God, he comes down and the Aaron and the Israelites have already made a golden calf and start worshiping the Egyptian apple again. So human beings have a, have a natural tendency to want to worship and to want to show veneration. So that's why paganism is so prevalent is because people will start and you might learn this from your own personal life.
You you know people that just, like, exaggerate and they sensationalize stories. And as time progresses, and I've even seen this, I'm pretty sure every single person in this space has seen this happen, where you'll hear your friend retell a story three or four times, and on the fourth time you're like, bro, you just made up half of that story. Now that those three things that you just said weren't even in the original and I was there and that did not happen, but you just kind of leave them and let them do it. So that's kind of like how paganism develops. And obviously, there's paganism exists on a spectrum.
And I know this is gonna sound strange, but you might say like the paganism of, like, the Greco Romans is more virtuous than, like, the paganism of the of the Aztecs. Okay? I personally would say that objectively speaking, the paganism of the Greeks or the Romans is objectively less it more destructive as the paganism of the Druids in in Britain. Just because you look at the the practices and they're more like the prey of them, they're more, they're not as conducive to human flourishing. You know what I mean?
So it exists on a spectrum. So I don't know. Again, I hope that answers your question. It's it's it's really complicated and that in itself commits own space that goes by three hours. And, yeah, that that's kind of like the origins of paganism.
And thanks be to God, the apostle Jesus Christ and the apostles have brought the truth to us and that is why because people saw the reason of it and that's all the faith and reason, the perfect congruity between the two. That's why my ancestors and all of pretty much most people in this in this space, our ancestors were converted by the apostles or people who knew the apostles because everyone said, no. No. No. These pagan gods, they're they're not legitimate.
As Greek wisdom starts to spread throughout the Hellenistic world, everyone starts saying, no, no, no. Jupiter is not real. You know, Ares and Mars and all these stories and Hephaestus, these these are stupid stories. Like, we don't believe this anymore. If God is good, why is excuse my language.
Zeus sounds like a rapist. If you actually read ancient history, Zeus is a rapist Okay So like why are we worshiping this guy and talking about truth and justice and honor and our own gods don't even subscribe to these same beliefs So that's why they start rejecting these beliefs and that's why when the apostles come and they use faith and reason, and then they back it up with supernatural, you know, miracles and things, everyone's like, no. No. No. You guys, the logos that you speak about, that's the true God and they all convert.
Shannon : What'd you say about the dangers if somebody said, boy, this is an interesting space, but after I leave here, I have an appointment. I'm gonna go to a a psychic because I just, you know, I wanna see how the year is gonna work out. Why why is that dangerous?
Imperator : Because okay. So two things. Number one, I would say that, like, 90% of psychics and tarot card readers and people like that are just completely, they're just scamming you. They're all a scam, but, like, they they they don't actually know what they're doing. They're just making things up.
They're just saying, like, oh, cut the frequency. You have you will meet a very important person this week. Like, that's so vague. That could mean absolutely anything. You know what I mean?
It's kinda like horoscopes. You just you say something that's vague enough that it can apply to anything. Therefore, you you might go say your friend that you haven't seen in my three weeks, but Oh, my gosh. The psychic was right. That's exactly what she said.
She said I was gonna beat somebody important or you project your own interpretation onto their words. And a good psychic will know how to use, what's called like NLP and know how to, like, pick up on your body signs and, and and your and your ticks and your movements and they'll be like, oh, this person obviously says agitated, something's going wrong and they'll ask you, oh, something's going wrong? Like, yes. Oh my gosh. How did you know?
Like they they know how to like manipulate you. Then there's actually like, I would say like five to ten percent of psychics that actually have supernatural abilities because they basically have given themselves over to the demonic and they actually have access to supernatural knowledge, a small degree of supernatural power. They actually can communicate with spirits and that's why they can actually give you a cult knowledge. Because like I said before, every single demon has complete knowledge of the material universe and everything that exists. So let's say Catholic frequency right now or anyone in this room.
I'm just gonna pick Adam. Adam Apple. Okay? Because I like your name and your picture jumped out to me. Okay?
I know, like, this demon knows for a fact that Adam Apple and Catholic frequency have called each other on the phone and they're gonna come to my house. Alright? That that that's just a fact. I don't know that because I'm all the way in Australia. I have no way of knowing that, and I haven't spoken to you about that.
But what the demon will do is it will tell the tarot card reader or like the psychic, this is what's gonna happen. Adam apple and Catholic frequency are gonna call you and they're gonna tell you they're gonna come to your house. And then I'm gonna say, oh my gosh, that's exactly what happened. One week later, Adam apple and Catholic fragrance came to my house. How did you know that?
And the person would be like, oh, because, you know, I'm a I'm a psychic. I know these things. It's it's it's like a very simple trick. And we call that within, like, technical terms, it's like clairvoyance, that like they look into the future, but what they're actually doing is they're actually the demons are giving them information about the material, like the creator universe that they have access to, if that makes sense.
Shannon : Absolutely. You you touched on this earlier when you're talking about the statues and stuff. Can demons work signs and wonders?
Imperator : Yes. They can because of, their nature, they have the ability to manipulate the material universe to it to an extent that God allows. And they the most important one is, when a person let's say, like, I'm sitting in my room right now and I'm looking at this door. Okay? Again, my perception of this door is based on, like, my eyes and my brain is, you know, understanding what I'm looking at and, you know, the the whole science behind that.
What demons have the ability to do and angels do this too, is they have the ability to manipulate my perception of reality because they can access your imagination. This is why it's very important to look or see things that are very destructive to your soul, because that can always be used against you psychologically. I know that's a bit tricky and and a bit scary to think about, but this is what's very important not to say things that are, you know, like pornography and things like that because those images always exist within your subconscious or within your material, the material part of the intellect, which is your imagination. And these images can be drawn up into your imagination by them, and that's what we call things like temptation. So what they can do is if you're looking at something like a door, they can manipulate your perception of the door so that it look like looks like, for example, the door's on fire even though it's not.
Because they have the ability to manipulate, again, your perception of the credit universe by, I guess you could say, interfering with your the material part of your imagination. I I I know it probably sounds a bit confusing, but that's essentially how it works. So they're manipulating the way you perceive things around you. So that's one way. Another way is sometimes as part of salvation history, God just says, you know what?
This person's x y and z needs to happen. You have more dominion and more power in this regard. And that's why, like, when we see the story of Job and things like that, where, or like the the the the vision of Pope Leo the thirteenth at, at mass where he says, you know, you have more time, you have more power, go for it. And God passively permits a demon or the demons to have more power over a particular region or a particular area or a particular person for his divine providence for some reason that we don't know at this point. And then they can actually work legitimate signs and wonders in front of you that aren't just messing with your, you know, your perception of things, but actually do can manipulate the material world around you, like make things move, make things levitate, destroy things, burn things down, move things from one side of the room to the other.
So when you see things like, you know, haunted houses and things like that, most of those now are just, you know, just gimmicks. There's, like, magnets and stuff everywhere, and they're just stupid. But, like, legitimate things that are, like, cursed, yeah, they actually have almost, like, a power of their own because they're under, like, supernatural dominion.
Shannon : The city I'm from, Savannah, is a very old historical city, at least by American standards. And there there's a big cottage industry of, like, ghost tours and stuff like that. Would you say people, like, shouldn't go on a ghost tour to a haunted house even though a lot of it's probably, like, made up?
Imperator : Like, I don't know. That one's a bit tricky because if they're legitimately just, you know, they've kinda like a junk, like a jump scare sort of thing, like, going to it's like going on a rollercoaster. Like, it's gonna scare you, but it's not real. Some of them might be legitimate and if it's like a legitimate thing, I'd say, you know, like don't go in there and if you have to actually have a static grace. But yeah, I don't know.
It's a bit tricky because I don't specifically know the individual account. I would say majority of them are just, it's more like a roller coaster. It's just like more of a game, if that makes sense.
Shannon : If you'd like to ask a question, please request the microphone. Avid Wonders had his hand up for a while or at least the request for the mic. So, do you have a question for Imperator?
Guest 1 : Yes. Thank you. This is a very interesting discussion. My question was more, focused on their capabilities, you know, as we see what AI is capable of with enough information, as we see what advertising is capable of with enough information, and then you mentioning they have the ability to perceive everything in the physical world, it makes you wonder how much can they, predict or anticipate what a person might be thinking. You know, typically, I think there there's the the belief in the Catholic church that only God knows the future.
But knowing that these creatures are very intelligent and with access to enough information, it seems like they're they could have some, capabilities that that approach God's as far as predictability, knowing knowing someone's thoughts. And so I'd like to hear from Imperator, you know, what what are your thoughts on what their capabilities are with regards to predictiveness and knowing one's thoughts?
Imperator : Yeah. No. That's that's actually awesome question. Thank you. And, I think I do talk about that in the thread.
Basically, in a way, demons can almost and even angels because they they all put it the same way, but they can almost predict the future and everything that you're going to do before you do it because we might not realize it, but we have neurological and physiological responses to certain stimuli. So if I'm angry, for example, we're only finding this stuff out, you know, in the last ten, fifteen years, certain parts of the brain light up. Like, I'm sure you've seen those scans where they put those little pads on people's heads and, like, they show them images and certain parts of the brain light up. That's that's that has always existed. Just because we only figured that out now, doesn't mean that that hasn't always been there.
So again, if you're an angel and you have access to the entire the entirety of the material universe, and I'm sitting there and one part of my brain flashes, the part associated with anger, they know you're angry. You might not you might think how does that person know I'm angry, but they know you're angry because they can see that. They know that your neurological and your physiological ticks that are associated with certain things. Like, for example, when someone's in love and, you know, or they're attracted to someone, their pupils dilate a little bit. They know that.
So they they can okay. For example, I'm completely making this up. Let's say I'm at a, I'm at a bar and I'm at work function or something. And some girl walks past me and then my heart starts flickering a little bit. My sorry.
Well, my heart, like, my heart rate increases and my pupils dilate a little bit. The demon that is attached to me would say, he finds her attractive. Start slamming his his imagination with thoughts of lust and then, like, do the same thing with her so that they connect. So that way, you can destroy this guy's marriage and get him hooked on, you know, adultery or something like that. I don't know.
I know that's a very, extreme example, but that's basically how it works. They they pick up on your ticks or your clues, and they just push that whatever vices associated with it. And, yeah, I wonder if people I wonder if you go
Guest 1 : even more more more capable than that. I mean, if you think of what's going on with Neuralink, which is in its infancy, just by reading electrical signals, and they're really that intelligent, there may be no privacy at all inside your own mind. I mean, what you're talking about is like physical things that you could observe, like the dilation of the pupils, the raising of the temperature, or something like that. But but if they have the type of capability that maybe Neuralink might bring someday already, then it feels like you really have no no private thoughts.
Imperator : Yeah. Because that's why it's important. There's one thing they can't access your actual intellect. That's one thing that demons can never do. They can't access your intellect.
They can't access your thoughts. You might, telegraph your thoughts through, like, your physical responses, but they can't see what's in your mind. That's why and again, this is a huge shout out to the cut the frequency right now. That's why meditative and contemplative prayer is so important because it almost like safeguards your your mind. That's why the rosary is so important because it it is puts you in a state where your mind becomes impenetrable.
It's again, I like films. It's kind of like if if any of you ever seen that movie inception, amazing film, love it. You know how the main character has the ability to like, reinforce his mind with like soldiers? That's kind of like what you think about when you when you're thinking about like meditative and contemplative prayer. Your your mind is becoming a fortress.
It's impenetrable. So demons and even yourself, you you you're not swayed by external stimuli. That is also why it's important to guard your passions and to chastise yourself in the sense of doing modifications and penances because you're strengthening your your dispositions, you're strengthening your spirit, you're strengthening your resolve and your and your conditioning yourself to be a fortress. And that's what in in doing so, demons can't affect you because they don't know what you're doing because you're not like all over the place. You can't be influenced because you are a fortress.
Okay? And that's why prayer is so important. And even, you would find that when someone's in such a state of grace, even though you might have these nervous ticks, even though you might have these neurological and and electrochemical reactions to things, they can't pick it up because you're you're beyond them. They can't touch you. You know?
That's why prayer is so important. And and the same thing, you might look at listen to this special, like, oh my gosh. I'm doing these guys are gonna absolutely wreck me. I can't do anything about this. We're just gonna be destroyed by the demons and blah blah blah.
But, man, you gotta understand that the angels are even more powerful, and prayer is even more powerful. And if you're in a state of grace, you destroy all of these things. This what I'm talking about right now mainly applies to people who live in a state of habitual sin advice. You have no protection, and that's why it's almost impossible, not impossible, but almost impossible if you're, like, living as a as a pagan or, like, a non religious person or, like, a non Catholic, or you don't have any sacraments, bro, I don't know how you do it. Like, you are gonna get absolutely destroyed.
You have no sanctifying grace to defend you. You you're you're almost like on a battlefield running around with no weapons and no body armor. Like, yeah, technically, statistically speaking, you might survive, but I'm not taking those chances.
Shannon : What if
Imperator : that's great? AI team. Sorry. In regards to the whole AI thing, like, I personally think that there's nothing inherently wrong with AI. Like, it's a tool.
It's like a calculator. It's like, you know, it's like the Internet. It depends on how we use it. The problem that you will find is that people will start relying on AI too much to the point where it becomes like a new idol. So, it becomes like the ultimate psychic if that makes sense.
Because in the same way that demons are able to, access the whole material universe, well, yeah. If you have, Internet systems that can link to every single account and every single person's phone and all their search history and everything they've ever said and all they, all their conversations they've ever said on like WhatsApp and Signal and Facebook and x and whatever. Yeah. You pretty much can have, like, a full scope understanding of who the person is. And then there's that whole idea of, like, the ghost in the machine and it becomes, like, conscious and stuff.
Again, I'm not I'm not an IT specialist. I don't know those things. I'm just talking now. It's not inherently bad, but it again, it's like anything like a tool, it depends on how you use it.
Shannon : I wanna pick up on I wanna pick up on something you said just a couple minutes ago. If I if I understood what you said, they can see what we feel, but not what we think.
Imperator : Correct. They can't access our intellect. They can access our imagination because that's the material part of our intellect. So they can access like your the previous things that you've seen or project images into your mind, but they can't see your thoughts. Only God knows your thoughts.
And only those to whom God gives permission, like active permission to see your thoughts, which is like himself and maybe like, you know, if you believe in this stuff, which obviously I do like a saint or an angel. Demons can't get into your intellect. Again, that's why it's important to chastise your body and bring it into subjection so that the intellect rules the passions and the appetites. If that makes sense.
Shannon : We have just a couple minutes left. Into the mist. Quick question if you want to ask one. I
Guest 2 : kinda I sorta have a question, but a lot of thoughts.
Shannon : I I mean Quick questions only.
Guest 2 : Questions only. Okay. Well, if the devil can't make any life, then can only make a mockery of life, then wouldn't that make AI a mockery of life with the logic of devil, like, we call it strategic foresight.
Shannon : What's the deal with AI and territory?
Imperator : What what do you mean by that?
Guest 2 : So, like, you know, a a a demon or angels, they have, a a much higher knowledge base than we do. Like, when they make a decision, they can see much further down the line than we do because they have a greater data set than we do. And, and AI in a very similar way is to me, you know, like, a mockery of life, and that doesn't mean that all AI is demonic. But if, you know, a a fallen angel has the powers of logical foresight, then wouldn't that transfer into an AI pretty powerfully?
Imperator : Yeah. It's kind of like a a parallel system. Yeah. It it is in a way. But but like you said, that's it's it's just a tool.
So, it is a tricky one. It's it's like an emerging technology. You don't know where it's gonna go. There's there's pros and cons. Again, like, when it comes to AI, like, you know why I'm excited about AI?
There's a lot of books that I I don't I'm not, like, completely fluent in in Latin. I wanna, like, just convert them to use AI to convert it to English for me so I can read it. Like, that's a good use of AI. If we're using AI to, you know, like, take over the world, of course, it's gonna be a bad thing. But, it just it it's it's the only thing I can say because of this isn't my specialty, and I don't pretend that it is, it just comes down to how you use it, I guess.
It's like it's like a gun. A gun can be used to rob someone and that's horrible. A gun can be used by a woman to protect herself from a murderer. That's a good thing, you know, to defend herself, self defense. It's it's a tool.
It depends on how you use it, I guess. But there is something kind of, like, sinister about it and and I guess there's a potential for it to be dangerous.
Shannon : Alright. We've been going for an hour. Imperator, I just wanna ask you if you wanna just give some final thoughts or just wrap up. Was there something you wanted to touch on that we didn't get to or just just sort of sum it all up for us about the origins of evil?
Imperator : If you look at the book of Genesis, the or the the main, I guess, you could say, impetus or driving force of of the devil, the way that it it encourages people to, to reject God is is this belief that you will be like God. You know? Do what you want. Do what thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.
That's actually the the, the maxim of Luciferianism is this idea that you are your own god. You do whatever you want. Mine is right. There are no restrictions. It's very Machiavellian to the to the complete extent.
And, we live in a society whether people recognize it or not that is very demonic. It's very Luciferian because everyone is their own god. Everyone there is no morality. Everything is completely subjective, and you choose whatever you wanna do. That that is very evil, and that's completely against the order of nature and the order of creation, and it detracts from God's glory.
What I will say is and and even in the modern age, in the ancient world with the idols and statues and things like that, the the promise is always, you do this for me, you eat the apple, you worship me, you give me this sacrifice of human life, and I will reward you with supernatural knowledge. I'll reward you with with greater technology. I'll reward you with x y and z And the, the the response from us should be, I should live according to my state in life and do what is right and and obey the commandments of God. You know? And, yeah, you know what?
You can get additional knowledge or secret knowledge or cult knowledge if you dabble in new cult and things like that. But that's not for you to know. There's certain things that human beings are not meant to know and you need to accept that. Okay? And I accept that there's complete limitations to my knowledge, and I completely accept that.
And I don't want to know certain things. So that's always the temptation that people have from the beginning of time with Adam and Eve to know good and evil and to to our modern age, in whatever way that is. I would say the most important thing as I've said about three or four times is, you have to pray. You have to be in a state of grace. You have to live virtuously because it strengthens you, not only intellectually and physically, but also spiritually.
Okay? And it it creates like a it creates a a safeguard around you being in a state of grace. And the most important way that you can develop that, I guess, spiritual and intellectual and psychological and physical and holistic sort of well-being and strength is through prayer, by saying the rosary, by contemplative prayer, by sitting in front of the blessed sacrament and just having a conversation or praying to God in your mind by yourself, not saying anything out loud, and just having one on one time. That is the best and strongest thing you can possibly do because that conditions your mind and your body to be impenetrable, but also surrounds you with, I guess, protection to the point where even if things are around you, they're unable to penetrate your, I guess, your the grace force field, I guess you could say. Please don't I I I don't want anyone to get, like, listen to this space and freak out and think like we're all doomed in that.
That's not what I'm trying to do. It's just it's important to know this stuff and, you know, grace and praise is the most important thing you can do and, you know, on our own, we have no we have no hope. But we believe that through Christ, we can do all things. And Jesus Christ is superior. Jesus Christ is powerful.
Jesus Christ is God, and the the sacraments and the saints will assist us as long as we pray and we and we we aim to live virtuously. God will never allow anything to happen to us that we can't handle. You know, even Marcus Aurelius says that. Nothing happens to any man which he cannot endure. Nothing's gonna happen to you that you can't handle.
God's not gonna afflict you with these things that are gonna destroy you just because, yes, he allows you to he leaves us to our own devices. But if you're living a good life and you're living a wholesome and virtuous life, God will reward you with with peace. And that's what Christ brings. He's the prince of peace. So if you just pray and you just strive to live a good and virtuous life, you will be safe.
These things will not harm you. They will not affect you, but you will be keen and you will see how other people's lives are falling apart around you because whether they admit it or not, they're under the dominion of of the demonic. Okay? And everyone who's not in a state of grace, who's living a vicious life and habitual sin and again, I see I've said this before on x. Everyone's like, oh, you know, we're gonna be preppers and we're gonna fight the antichrist and we're gonna do x one z, we're gonna go to war, I'm gonna do blah blah blah.
So bro, if you live in a state of mortal sin, you're already on the devil's side. Like, who are you fighting? Like, sort yourself out first man. So that's the most important thing that people need to realize. Be in the state of grace, do the right thing, love your family, obey your parents, be a good husband or wife or whatever your state in life is, and that's how you glorify God.
You don't have to be some champion going around fighting devils and things like that. Just do what you're supposed to do Temperate.
Shannon : You've been listening to the great Imperator, the biblical scholar from Australia. I love our spaces. Be sure to follow him. Help him. He won't be too long before he's at 50,000 followers.
Be sure to subscribe to him to support his work. I love our spaces. I I've come up with what how I'm gonna describe you, Imperator. My second favorite person on x because this gives me plausible deniability with all my other friends, and I can I can tell them, oh, no? You're really, you know, you're number one.
So that's what I'm gonna be doing. So thank you. Thank you so much. I thought we would end tonight with the Saint Michael prayer, if that's okay. So we'll just say in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit.
And we we have been talking tonight about evil and we want to remind people that evil is nothing to be played with, nothing not to dabble in it, not to dabble in the occult, to remember how powerful evil is, but we don't want to glorify evil or or be afraid of it. Like Imperator said, we we stay close to the virtues and the sacraments and God and angels much more powerful. So we will you wanna say something?
Imperator : You're absolutely right. Yeah. I just want to say that exactly. If you're in a state of grace and you're, you know, the demons fear you, they're scared of you. The gates of Hades will not prevail against you.
That's not a defensive claim. That's an that's offense. Gates don't attack. You're meant to attack the gates of Hades. So if you're in a state of grace, they run away from you.
Keep that in mind. So state of state of grace, be holy, pray, Catholic frequency. You I'm just gonna say it outright. You are my favorite account on x. Okay?
It's all good. And after we set the Saint Michael prayer in English, we're gonna do it in Latin. Let's do it.
Shannon : Okay. I'll do the English. You do the Latin. Saint Michael the Archangel defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, oh, prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

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